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You're listening to "The Podcast 
Factory Org".

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Today hrmeetup.© is a bit special 
because we are in Spain,

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around Quesada, and we are meeting 
a Belgian who decided to bring a

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little piece of Belgium there: 
the Belgian fry shop,

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its products, and its know-how.

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Hello Rosa

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Hello

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You are Carmelo's wife?

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Yes, that's right.

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Married for how long?

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Phew! It's been so long!

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We've been together since '99 and 
we got married in 2007,

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if I'm not mistaken.

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So we interviewed Carmelo, 
he explained his background, why he

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came to Spain (Rosa Catena 
Terranova: Yes). So I imagine we're

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not going to go through that again 
with you because it's pretty much

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the same thing (Rosa Catena 
Terranova: It's the same thing,

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yeah). However, however, 
there is your own perspective,

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which we are going to explore a 
bit, and we always start our

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interviews with a question about 
teenage dreams. So when you were a

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teenager, you certainly had a dream 
or told yourself "Later I'll be", I

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don't know what (Rosa Catena 
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ask you: what was that teenage 
dream?

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And above all, today have you done 
something where you are

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aligned with that dream?

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In fact, I've always wanted to do 
lots of things,

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I'm someone who is super curious 
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When I was very young, 
I wanted to be a surgeon.

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And then I thought "Oh well, 
I'd like to be a PE teacher",

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because I love sports and in the 
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And hyperactive too, 
then?

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Yes, exactly. And I want to do 
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lots, lots of things. And I started 
wanting to go out like all young

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people, spending money on clothes, 
I wanted a car.

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And my parents told me "Well, 
look, sweetheart, if you want to do

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all that, you're going to have to 
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Were you originally from the La 
Louvière area too?

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I'm from Morlanwelz.

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Morlanwelz isn't very far!

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No, but to me La Louvière is the 
other side of the world, you know

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(Michel Godart: Oh really?). No, 
in Morlanwelz you stay in

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Morlanwelz, you don't move, 
we're in our little village. And so

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I had a cousin who worked in a chip 
shop. She said to me, "Listen Ro,"

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since we were very close, 
she said to me, "Well, come work

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with me, I need a student worker 
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get some pocket money). Come on, 
that way we spend time together and

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you make some pocket money," I was 
fifteen. I was fifteen and I went

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to work, for next to nothing, 
but it was enough for me because I

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was with my cousin, 
it was nice and I learned the

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trade, and I liked it (Michel 
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experience). And I thought to 
myself, "Actually, this is nice."

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Right, exactly. Was it customer 
service that you enjoyed?

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Customer service, 
preparing things,...

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Not putting yourself at risk, 
but... Yes, being responsible for

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something that comes out, 
and when the customers are happy,

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well, it makes me happy. When I see 
a customer whose eyes (Michel

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Godart: Light up, 
yeah) go wide like that when I set

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down the dish, I tell myself, 
"Yeah, all right, I did my job."

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I watched you earlier, 
I already saw it (Rosa Catena

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Terranova: Yeah) and it never left 
you. So hats off and respect for

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that (Rosa Catena Terranova: 
No, it's...) because doing all that

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with the same approach for so long, 
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customer service in your blood 
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like it), and that's not common 
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But I like making people happy, 
I like them to be pleased (Michel

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Godart: Yes), and there you go.

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Perfect, that's great.

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And then after that, 
I met Carmelo.

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So I was working in a chip shop on 
my side, I met Carmelo and he told

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me, "Yeah, my dream would be to 
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no. No, no, seriously, 
we're not doing that," because it's

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long hours, it's... I liked it, 
but I told myself I need a job

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where you make a living, 
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without getting too bored.

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Well, not bored, 
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You were more about putting things 
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Yes, I liked traveling, 
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so similarly, I studied languages.

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I did, I have a bachelor's degree 
in translation, you

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know, I went to university. To 
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Oh right, hence the excellent 
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That's it. I pick up languages 
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and I also enjoy communicating with 
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He told me, "I'm going to open a 
chip shop." I said, "Oh no, no,

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we're not doing that, 
I promise you we're not opening a

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chip shop" - Laughter. He told me, 
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to do it." I said, 
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I'm leaving you." And then the day 
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as students together for a while, 
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my own chip shop," and I said, 
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leaving you," and I left him, 
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day!). Well yes, 
if I say something, I have to do it

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(Michel Godart: A woman putting her 
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A woman putting her foot down, 
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And so, well yeah, 
I left him for a day and then I

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went back. Then we worked together

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and it was fun, it was fun...

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Any regrets today?

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There you go (Rosa Catena 
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story.

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Doubts sometimes, 
but regrets never.

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Okay, so precisely, 
you've been together for more than

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25 years, as we've said. If you had 
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dates, but through the three major 
turning points in your life, what

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would they be? Because there are 
three turning points: so meeting

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each other (Rosa Catena Terranova: 
Meeting each other), there's the

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fact that he wants to start a 
business, you say no, then you say

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yes, and in the end you don't 
regret it. And then now there's

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another turning point, 
which is: coming to Spain (Rosa

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Yeah), there have actually been

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several turning points in your 
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Yeah, yeah. Well, 
we're like that;

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as soon as things get too stable, 
we have to stir up a whirlwind in

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our lives to give ourselves new 
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Every time, it's the last business, 
it's the last time, it's... But

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it's never the last time. Even here 
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"Come on, one last shot, 
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we pull it off, we set it up, 
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we stop there." And now he's 
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"Oh well, look, Torrevieja is nice. 
Yesterday we were in San Juan, and

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he tells me, "Oh well, 
San Juan is great too."

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Well, entrepreneurship is in his 
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Yeah, it's exhausting, 
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right? - Laughter

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So, I'm not going to ask your age, 
that's bad manners. Which of these

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turning points changed you the 
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Spain!

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Spain

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Spain!

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Really? Is it a shock?

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It's... Yeah, it's...

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What are you leaving behind in 
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You're never ready. I'm leaving my 
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There's... (Rosa Catena Terranova: 
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here in Spain?

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They do have a vacation apartment 
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come from time to time, 
but that's all. My brother,

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well, with work, 
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it's impossible for him to come and 
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He visits from time to time, 
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necessarily want to spend every 
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So, was it harder for you to tell 
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Spain and follow him"? Was that 
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No, because I really wanted to 
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Yes, (Rosa Catena Terranova: 
I wanted to come) you wanted to

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come?

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The day he told me—for years I had 
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let's go somewhere, 
let's move, let's change things up,

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let's try." And when he told me...

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You were on the same wavelength 
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Yes, we always wanted to leave. We 
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never found the right time because 
of the kids, because of this,

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because of that. Then at one point, 
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something, and he said to me, "You 
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what? Let's go," and I said, "Well, 
let's go."

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And what convinced you, 
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Was it love?

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We were going to stay together 
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and face it together.

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What scared you the most?

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(Rosa Catena Terranova: 
ha) Because we always have little

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fears, we all have fears, it's 
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human. There's no shame in that.

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Well, what was scary was that he 
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mine, my way (Michel Godart: 
And what was your way?). I wanted

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to come here, it was Spain, 
so Spain is tranquilos.

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Tranquilos.

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“Relax, tomorrow morning,” as 
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I know that's the expression 
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Spain, but in itself, 
it's true, that's what I wanted.

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I mean, take it easy, 
do something nice,

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I almost pictured myself making 
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(Michel Godart: Yeah).

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Right on the beach. You know, 
something nice,

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you know...

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That doesn't work as well, 
does it? Still!

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But it doesn't work as well, 
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And as always, we never do things 
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that's the thing. We were looking 
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and we ended up with—here we have 
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There are two floors, 
it's huge!

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There are two floors. We...

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And you have an excellent 
reputation, I must say!

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Ah, well thank you, 
that's nice to hear because it's

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stressful, you know?

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Yes, really? (Rosa Catena 
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it's already been two years, right?

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Two years since we've been in Spain 
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working on this project.

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And when you talk about the chip 
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Well, when he talks about the chip 
shop, he tells his entrepreneurial

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adventure. But you...

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What do you see behind this 
adventure that... That the

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customers don't see? What is your 
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I don't know. Me, 
I follow him because I know full

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well he always has good ideas.

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Then, you have to frame him and you 
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(Michel Godart: He said it), 
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it's crazy, he goes in all 
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But you just have to channel him 
and then organize things a bit and

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tell him stop when needed, 
he really goes too far.

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But in itself, he always has the 
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so I know deep down we don't risk 
much because we have the drive and,

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yeah there are two of us so 
obviously we know we could move

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mountains. Well... At least it 
feels that way!

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So precisely, speaking of moving 
mountains!

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What were the biggest sacrifices 
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you? (Rosa Catena Terranova: The 
chil...) Family or others?

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Family (Michel Godart: 
Family), the children (Michel

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Godart: The children), 
my daughter. The hardest part now,

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here it comes, is my daughter 
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her anymore, it's been a month 
since I've seen her (Michel Godart:

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Compassion case, 
right), she stays all by herself.

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Then again, she's big...

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She can (Rosa Catena Terranova: 
She's 13) come too, right.

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She manages very well.

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She knows how to cook for herself, 
she goes out with her friends,

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she's living her best life, 
right? For her, it's her best life!

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Well yes, for her it's a great 
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I drop her off at her friends' at 
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and I pick her up when I'm done.

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If it's 11:00 PM, 
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she's even happier.

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But I don't spend time with her 
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own, even though it's only been a 
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time since I abandoned her. Then, 
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with my son too (Michel Godart: Ah 
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say it), and to see him thrive.

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Because Carmelo told me about it.

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Oh yeah that's it, 
right there it's... On the other

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So it's happiness, and a mother's 
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bleeding for her daughter.

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That's it, that's it!

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What's your daughter's name?

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Maëlli.

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Maëlli. We're sending her a little 
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Terranova: Well, 
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My little sweetheart, 
I'm sorry, Mom is (Michel Godart:

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All these efforts) doing this for 
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Well yes, I think that's—all 
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That's it, actually...) for their

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We do this for the kids.

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After 25 years together, 
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you closer? As a couple?

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stick together to cope.

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Sometimes feel like throwing 
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In the deep fryer, 
in the garage, in...

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Anywhere, sometimes I just don't 
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like running away and telling him, 
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apron, I'm out of here, 
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That's human, yeah.

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And then I walk out the door, 
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and then I come back and it's 
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Laughs. You don't have a choice.

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I love that. If you could speak for 
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just before this Spanish adventure,

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what would you tell her?

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To yourself, just before leaving 
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"Listen, girl, saying 'I'm packing 
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I'm getting out of here, 
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I'll manage anyway.' Well, 
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too, right? You don't just drop 
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new life in a country you don't 
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with laws you don't know, 
with customs you don't know,"

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because we think we know Spain, 
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"But you need to—maybe you'll have 
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better next time."

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So better organization, 
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super...) regrets despite that?

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No, I'm super impulsive and I kick 
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see, when the problem comes up 
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(Michel Godart: Yeah). But 
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anticipate the problem in advance.

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But no regrets despite that?

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No, no regrets (Michel Godart: 
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And if the teenager back at the 
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Spain, after 25 years of living 
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do you think she'd be proud of you?

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I don't like saying it, 
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I can feel the beautiful emotions 
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it touches me.

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But here, actually, 
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gave me a bit more...

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(Michel Godart: Autonomy?). Yes, 
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to do. Since it was big, 
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more things, we did breakfasts. He 
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Do whatever you want." So I 
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him, I went in every direction!

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like I had four arms or something.

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And then in the end, 
we scaled it back and I'm happy

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with what we're doing, 
and I'm proud of making my

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breakfast. Of course, 
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but um... Then again.

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But "what else"? It's pure bliss.

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It's pure bliss. I make fried eggs, 
today I messed up two fried eggs

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because my pan stuck, 
it happens to everyone (Michel

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Godart: Exactly), 
I just felt like crying. And I tell

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myself, "Girl, it's just two fried 
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That's life), you start over and 
say no more about it."

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That's life, you know.

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What's your next dream, 
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The next step, what would that be 
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ideally? We can dream, 
we're allowed to have a magic wand.

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We're allowed to dream.

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We're even allowed to have a magic 
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I don't know, for it to keep going 
like this for years and for people

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to be happy, and that's it.

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No, just that, just that is fine 
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And I wish that for you with all my 
heart. And know that the people,

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the listeners tuning in, 
have a description of the podcast

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featuring you and Carmelo (Rosa 
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have a link, they can click on it 
on their smartphone (Rosa Catena

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Terranova: Yeah) and speak into the 
mic, they can leave you a voice

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message saying, "Congratulations, 
well done (Rosa Catena Terranova:

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Oh, that's cool), 
I have a question," and so on. And

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we can send it to you. And if they 
tell us "You can put it on social

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media," well, we can even listen to 
it when we publish your podcast, we

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can hear their voices speaking to 
you (Rosa Catena Terranova: Oh,

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that's great), and you can reply 
the same way (Rosa Catena

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Yeah, sounds good. And honestly, 
I just feel like hugging everyone.

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Were you very stressed before 
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Yes). So, what's the verdict? (Rosa 
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Happy? Yeah, happy? (Rosa Catena 
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good, yeah) A great podcast 
adventure.

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My emotions are running too high, 
I'm too emotional, it's not

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working.

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We're the same, but I'm not ashamed 
(Rosa

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Catena Terranova: No?), I don't 
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That's just how it is?

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We're human.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And it's more beautiful to be human 
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Well yes, sometimes people are 
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hug, when they're angry I feel like 
crying, but...

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Well, don't give me a hug, 
I'm sweating.

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Yeah, same - Laughs. Viva Espana.

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Rosa, I wish you a wonderful day 
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that's kind) and good luck with 
your work and your wonderful

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passion in any case.

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Thank you, thank you.

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A wonderful journey, 
thank you, see you soon.

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