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You're listening to "The Podcast 
Factory Org".

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Welcome to a new episode of "What's 
Your Story",

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the podcast where we tell people's 
stories—stories of artists,

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professionals, freelancers, 
and non-profits too.

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And today, I have Véronique Thiry 
with

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me. Hello, Véronique.

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Hello, Michel.

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Thank you for making the trip to 
see me here at transforma in

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Brussels. And Véronique, 
you're someone important to me

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because you do things that I 
greatly admire.

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Whenever we talk about children, 
it touches my heart directly,

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so naturally, what you do truly 
moves me.

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And I have a friend who has an 
autistic son; I'm thinking of him,

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in fact. So there you go, 
today we're going to talk about

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childhood, but I won't say too 
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We have a first icebreaker 
question:

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your teenage dream. We all have a 
teenage dream.

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I don't know yours, 
but I'm curious.

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The point of the question is really 
to see whether your teenage dream

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and what you ultimately did—in 
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career—are aligned, 
or if they have nothing to do with

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each other? I know you liked 
swimming;

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a little bird told me.

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Yes, I liked swimming, 
lots of sports—more into sports

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than school, actually.

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So, quite athletic?

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I don't necessarily remember my 
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but it was to feel good and do a 
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though I didn't know what I wanted 
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There's a common thread there 
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Good, feeling good—meaning feeling 
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Yes, that's it.

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We're getting closer.

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And especially passing on 
well-being as a result. But,

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well, I think that quite early on I 
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children, so that really remained a 
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When I started my studies, 
I didn't know what to do,

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I wanted to be able to combine 
sports and children (Michel Godart:

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Well-being basically and the social 
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yes), the social side, 
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And so I found a sports-related 
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so I trained as an educator, 
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obviously. It allowed me to meet 
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to look after children, 
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and as part of my studies, 
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and so that caught my attention 
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really go into...

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To tie the two together, 
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To tie the two together (Michel 
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well-being) and to delve into the 
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Right, yeah. That's super smart 
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thread and on top of that you align 
common thread, values, and you

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bring everything together into an 
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it went quite fast. Now you know, 
when you have teenage dreams and

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dreams about your studies, 
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between what you think you'll 
become and the realities of the

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profession, there are sometimes 
gaps. Are these things that

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resonated with you? Did you, 
like in many study paths, quickly

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realize in certain professions: 
well, in the job I'm doing,

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there will be challenges.

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Regarding the job of an educator, 
I knew that I didn't want to work

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in an institution because I wanted 
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and I knew that at that point I 
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properly because, 
well, an educator can work at night

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(Michel Godart: Yes), 
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I didn't want to be a PE teacher 
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and that's not the branch I chose 
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And so it's the extra year, 
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that I did after the degree, 
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that allowed me to refine my choice 
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and ultimately work with the body.

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So the answer to the question in 
the end is "Yes", you are aligned

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with your teenage dream? (Véronique 
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now, your profession, 
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Well, I am a psychomotor therapist.

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What does that mean? (Véronique 
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the...). Good question, isn't it?

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That is a very, very good question.

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A relational psychomotor therapist,

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as they say, meaning that...

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Relational, so that's an added 
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There's a slight nuance. There's 
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which focuses on functions like 
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and helping the child improve on 
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Proprioception of their body too?

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For example. And that's done in a 
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it's hard not to caricature—in 
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we tend to do exercises, 
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In relational psychomotor therapy, 
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play, movement, based on what the 
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Instinctively, I want to say much 
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Yes, though you can't say that 
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area aren't human, 
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more emotional (Michel Godart: 
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more psychological dimension.

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The playful aspect makes me say 
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Absolutely), you see, 
yes okay, so now I understand your

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job better. And I know you're 
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can we talk about that?

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You made a choice, 
can we talk about it?

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You made the choice to work with 
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children rather than others?

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Without setting them apart, 
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No), that's not at all the approach 
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No), we are actually specializing 
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I worked in an institution for 
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Brussels. And they were children in 
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families, let's say.

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So the idea was to support them to 
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inside them, through the body, 
through work on emotions.

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What I realized was that I didn't 
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something important, which is the

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parents and the family.

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Obviously, in that case, there 
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rare, they are mostly absent.

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Exactly. And so some could come 
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how shall I put it, 
engage and participate and

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interact, while others were really 
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involved. And at one point, 
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parents, and I wanted to be able to 
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and somewhere else.

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So I stopped working in an 
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following medical leave, 
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I questioned whether I still wanted 
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It's the question of meaning at 
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Yes, yes. It's super important to 
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and so since I could no longer find 
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or at least something wasn't right,

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I wanted to remedy—well, 
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The idea was to set up a non-profit 
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We're going to talk about that, 
in fact; that's the topic of this

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podcast, we'll talk about your 
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Because you also wrote a book 
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created little booklets (Véronique 
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too. How would you define the 
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for? Now, I don't like 
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putting people in boxes, 
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the specifics you've chosen to 
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Yes, so as a result, 
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centers, so there it's children of 
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And so I work in collaboration with 
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the children. They come based on...

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So these children actually have a 
specific profile, is that right?

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Well, yes, it's that they are 
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right now, there are many children 
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difficulties. And so it's a 
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not the main one, 
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Autistic children, 
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delay, a motor delay. The idea is 
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the body and the psyche.

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To really be able to connect the 
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on the body and spontaneous play 
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from... And movement, 
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play, into their landscape, 
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unraveling things a little bit and 
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to help them regain their balance, 
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Are parents more present, 
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Well, there they are more present 
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can hold an initial meeting called 
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and share a little bit of what's 
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Anamnesis is the medical history of 
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Exactly) or someone being listened 
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it), for those who don't know the 
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Right, exactly. It's important 
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what is difficult for them.

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And for me, it allows me to say, 
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here is what I can offer, 
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how I play with the child, 
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and (Michel Godart: 
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child, right) how I will be able to 
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Wow! What a lot of work!

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You really have to think things 
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Yes, because it's a holistic 
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you have to engage physically with 
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them (Michel Godart: 
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yes, you have to adapt. You have to 
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cues that show they are tense, 
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In fact, you work in agile mode, 
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reaches everywhere, 
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little shout-out to my friends at 
Pyxis-Belgique. So Véronique, like

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in any profession, 
sometimes everything goes well, and

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sometimes there are difficulties. 
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positive, but we are still going to 
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your job—are there challenges in 
your line of work?

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Well yes, there is inevitably the 
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It is care that takes time and 
therefore comes at a cost, right?

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it can be quite a journey.

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as I was saying, 
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the family context, 
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siblings. The fact that the child 
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speech therapy, psychotherapy, 
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And so multiple professions cross 
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communicate well together across 
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(Véronique Thiry: Well, yes) Isn't 
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It is a challenge. When you are in 
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multidisciplinary center and the 
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therapists, well, 
it coordinates really well.

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When the child, for reasons, 
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Have to pick and choose.

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Well, 'pick and choose' isn't a 
very nice phrase, but... Enfin,

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c'est pas joli le mot picore 
mais...

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No, but it symbolizes it well.

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Right, it symbolizes it well.

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At that point, you have to call 
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talk things through.

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But this communication and this 
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everything remains consistent 
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the child. Otherwise...

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Well yes, because as a reminder, 
it's a holistic approach (Véronique

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Thiry: Exactly), 
a comprehensive one, so we still

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need to maintain (Véronique Thiry: 
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communications, they are super 
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It requires the therapist to reach 
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but well, that's part of the job, 
that's just how it is.

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parents. You mentioned financially,

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and I'll explain why, 
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side, having to travel (Michel 
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Oh yes) here and there, 
having to juggle (Michel Godart:

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they're not available, 
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find another therapist.

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there's that, meaning what I was 
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there are siblings. And also the 
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providers don't reimburse (Michel 
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That was going to be one of my 
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I was wondering if these treatments 
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recognized: not at all, 
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physical therapists, 
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I want to help my child, 
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and it's heartbreaking (Véronique

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That is horrible.

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And that opens the door to the 
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(Véronique Thiry: 
Exactly), which is your non-profit?

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Yes, absolutely.

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It's "Ose ton potentiel" (Véronique 
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that's its name? (Véronique Thiry: 
Yes, that's the name) Why that

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name?

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That might resonate with me more 
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give everyone—well, 
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to children—the opportunity to dare 
to try things and precisely break

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out of that constricted shell when 
they sometimes don't dare.

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Yes, that's it, and to reach their 
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Exactly. And because I didn't like 
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and I didn't manage to...

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Ah, that's beautiful. I'm moved, 
it's beautiful!

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Thank you! I didn't manage to have 
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I just couldn't do it, I preferred

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Everything you've said so far 
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so thank you for sharing this, 
it's already precious to me.

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it touches me personally for many 
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It means there is a mission, 
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listeners tuning in from France or 
other countries who might not know

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the term "ASBL"—it means non-profit 
association (Véronique Thiry: Yes).

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That means there is a mission, 
and the goal isn't necessarily to

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make money or earn a living; 
there is an objective with a

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mission behind it. What is the 
mission of Ose ton potentiel?

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It's about supporting and helping 
families who are facing financial

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difficulties. The idea isn't to pay 
for the sessions of an entire

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family, but to sponsor, 
to co-finance the sessions so that

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it becomes manageable for them and 
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"Where do you get the money,

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madam?". Is it pure volunteering on 
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dedicate myself body and soul to my 
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that, knowing you, 
but it goes further, doesn't it?

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You still need to find funding, 
right? (Véronique Thiry: Exactly).

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Because you don't just help one 
family, do you?

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No, exactly, we need to find the 
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and so for now we have a project 
that makes it possible,

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which is the "Happy Family" 
festival.

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Yes, we were there with our 
#PodiBUZ (Véronique Thiry: Exactly,

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absolutely), we did interviews, 
and by the way, a "Happy Family"

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podcast will be launched thanks to 
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Yes), we're taking the opportunity 
to announce it.

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Absolutely. So it's a festival that 
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happening at the Parc du Cheneau 
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In Braine-l'Alleud, 
yes) in Braine-l'Alleud,

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exactly. And we organize three days 
of free activities for children.

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We get help from sponsors, 
for example.

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And so the funding comes from 
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Exactly), from all the food trucks, 
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and everything else, is that right?

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That's it. Exactly.

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We were there, but it's been going 
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Yes, it's the third year.

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And in not even three years, 
I've heard figures like 5,000

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visitors (Véronique Thiry: 
Yes, that's right), that's huge

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(Véronique Thiry: 
Yes), that's impressive (Véronique

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Thiry: Yes), what a success! 
(Véronique Thiry: Yes). Third year,

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more than 5,000 visitors, 
free activities for children.

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Since we went there, 
I can testify that there are bouncy

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castles, there are games, 
activities, there is even the youth

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centre there (Véronique Thiry: 
Yes), also present, whom we give a

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shout-out to by the way. I saw some 
very well-known people, with a

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great reputation for show jumping 
and obstacle courses too (Véronique

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impressive really. Does

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it get renewed every year?

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Yes. Absolutely, 
we try to vary it a little bit to

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liven things up and change things 
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We try to ensure it's also local 
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well, from as close by as possible.

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Yes, that's right (Véronique Thiry: 
From Braine), that's what struck

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me, yeah. You support the local 
economy (Véronique Thiry: Yes), and

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that's something I'd still like to 
highlight in this interview too.

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Because it's true that we could 
invite lots of people,

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of course, but the idea is for it 
to be local,

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yes.

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So, if people are listening to us 
and thinking, "What they're doing

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is awesome! I want to offer an 
activity at this festival", can

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they do that? Can they contact you?

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They can; they just need to contact 
the non-profit organization and

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we can discuss it.

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So, is the festival alone, 
along with the sponsors, able to

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generate enough income for the 
mission you set out for yourself in

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the non-profit (Véronique Thiry: 
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all set out for yourselves?

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For now yes, we help between three 
and five families Which is already

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quite a lot, and it's important. 
Which is already quite a lot. There

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you go, so not necessarily for an 
entire year,

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but certainly for a good part of 
the way.

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In any case, enough to relieve the 
parents (Véronique Thiry: Yes) and

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give them help and make an impact. 
So what might be even more magical

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is seeing the impact on the child, 
because in the end you see the

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result of your work and all those 
efforts?

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Yes, absolutely.

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Because I saw you being very 
active, with quite a few volunteers

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whom we also give a shout-out to 
during the festival.

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Yes. Oh yes, and that's...

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How many volunteers do you have?

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Well, there are at least over 30

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Wow! Even your daughter is involved 
(Véronique Thiry: Yes, yes)! The

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whole family gets involved 
(Véronique Thiry: All three of us),

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your husband and daughter.

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With the help of my partner, 
Benoît Georges,

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known as "Ben". And that makes it 
possible to bring certain projects

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to life, with even more to come.

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And so do you also have other help 
that's more logistical?

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(Véronique Thiry: 
Yes, exactly) I heard that the

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municipalities and institutions are 
getting involved too.

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Yes. The municipality helps us, 
for instance by lending marquees,

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chairs, tables, etc.

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So an involved municipality?

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Yes, absolutely, 
and we thank them.

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And we also have support from the 
province of Walloon Brabant for,

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for example, purchasing typical 
psychomotor therapy equipment

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(Michel Godart: Wow), you

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know. Modules...

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Ah yes, so even public authorities 
(Véronique Thiry: Yes) are

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interested in what you do 
(Véronique Thiry: Yes), acknowledge

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your work (Véronique Thiry: 
Yes), and get involved (Véronique

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Thiry: Yes, that's great). So that 
is really, it's really worth

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emphasizing (Véronique Thiry: 
Absolutely), yeah, wonderful.

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There's a wonderful, 
wonderful atmosphere,

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I highly recommend this festival.

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Come next year and know that every 
purchase you make on site will help

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children, and that's the greatest 
message we can convey.

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So Véronique, you're taking it a 
step further? Shall we now move

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on to literature?

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workshops,

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specifically about emotions, 
to move a bit beyond just the

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psychomotor aspect, 
and guide children to understand a

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little about what's going on in 
their bodies,

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and how to address or calm an 
emotion that begins to bother them.

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With a more playful approach, 
then?

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Exactly. But the project was 
initially a bit too complex (Michel

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Godart: Right). It was what I had 
in my head,

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but bringing it across (Michel 
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Yeah, I see) to a child was a bit 
complicated.

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So I have a friend who helped me 
refocus and refine the project

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a bit. And so I based it on the six 
basic emotions,

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and created a tale, 
a story, where the child is led

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into the forest of emotions with a 
little guide named

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"Oscillo." And by design, 
it's a roly-poly toy,

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so it can sway, move...

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And thus brave emotional storms, 
and regain its balance.

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And so it conveys to the child the 
journey they can take to tame their

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emotions (Michel Godart:.

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Very lovely metaphor). That's it in 
a nutshell.

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It's a very lovely metaphor. And so 
that leads to a book, and also

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little booklets (Véronique Thiry: 
A book) as I've seen.

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And so there is an accompanying 
workbook. Because the story touches

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on emotions (Michel Godart: 
OK), mainly anger (Michel Godart:

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Yes), with that journey I was 
talking about.

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And then, well, I moved on to a 
workbook that covers each emotion

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and goes through that same journey 
for every emotion.

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So it's hands-on; 
obviously, the parent needs to

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provide guidance, 
the parent or schools,

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primary school teachers...

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Well yes, professionals, 
professionals are interested,

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they're...

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Childhood professionals.

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Involved, of course.

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Right. Right, and so it might also 
lead to workshops in schools,

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why not? (Michel Godart: 
Well, I wholeheartedly wish that

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for you) But all of that is in the 
works.

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I think so, too. I see you have 
plenty of ideas, plenty of projects

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that we're not going to fully 
reveal today (Véronique Thiry: No)

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but... I know you have plenty of 
ideas, that you're a powerhouse on

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so many paths, and that's truly 
wonderful to hear. So what I'd like

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to do to gently wrap up this 
episode is make sure our listeners

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take away two important pieces of 
information:

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where to contact you and how?

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Point number one. And above all, 
where can we find these books,

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because you really made me want to 
buy them and give them to my

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friend, who might be interested?

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To contact me, it's ose ton 
potentiel (Michel Godart:

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The non-profit) at gmail dot com, 
that's the non-profit.

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And for the books, it's the same, 
you can

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contact me by email.

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Are they distributed in stores?

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You can come pick them up at my 
place.

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So in Braine.

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We're keeping it local for now 
(Michel Godart: Braine, local), and

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then naturally, well, 
it will be available online.

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But if I'm interested in France, 
can I send you an email, can you

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ship them on request or is that not 
possible?

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Well, in that case, 
you have to go on Amazon, they are

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visible and you can order them.

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Right, okay. And so they are 
visible online

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and downloadable online.

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So the title of the book is "Les 
voyages du dedans" with Oscillo.

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And there you go, 
you ended up answering the very

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last question that was coming up, 
so that's perfect. Véronique, this

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is a rather special podcast, 
let me explain:

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we have a descriptive text that 
will accompany this recording,

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and we have a video format where we 
can showcase visuals of these

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books, the activities, 
and the festival.

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So that's going to be great because 
there's the audio,

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but for those who are curious, 
if you go to our YouTube channel

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@thepodcastfactoryorg, well, 
you'll see the video of this

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interview with scrolling visuals, 
so that's very important.

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This video is transcribed for the 
deaf and hard of hearing—that's

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also important to you, 
(Véronique Thiry: Wonderful) I

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think (Véronique Thiry: 
Yes)—and translated into four other

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languages, namely: 
Dutch, German, English, and

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Spanish. That's quite something, 
it's great, (Véronique Thiry:

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That's quite something) it's 
accessible. And as the cherry on

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top, we have another special 
feature in our podcasts:

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we have a link to a voicemail, 
a voice messaging inbox.

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You take your smartphone—why a 
smartphone? Because on a

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smartphone, there's always a 
microphone. You click on this link

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which is on Spotify, 
across all listening platforms.

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And you land on a "Record" button, 
and you record a message for our

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friend Véronique with an expression 
of gratitude,

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a message with a question, 
a comment—it's all welcome.

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And if you add at the end of this 
little voice memo that we can share

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it, well, when we publish the 
podcast,

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we'll link the short links where 
people can listen to the voices of

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the people speaking to you, 
and you'll be able to reply in the

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same way. If that note isn't added,

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I'll send you the link privately, 
you'll be able to listen to the

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voices of the people speaking to 
you,

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and you can reply to them since to 
send the message they will have to

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provide their email address.

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And so you'll be able to add their 
email to your newsletter to contact

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them, give them updates, and have 
them follow your

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work. What do you think? (Véronique 
Thiry: Perfect, wonderful) Good

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idea? Good plan? (Véronique Thiry: 
Yes). Awesome! I'd like to

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thank you, once again.

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Thank you as well.

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And I wish every success to Ose ton 
potentiel,

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and especially, especially, 
especially to the Happy Family

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festival, since it feeds into Ose 
ton potentiel as well.

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Absolutely.

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When is the next one?

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In August of...?

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In August. Not the first one, 
not right at the very, very

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beginning of August, 
the one after (Michel Godart: We'll

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check the website), 
I don't have the dates off the top

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of my head. Yes

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We'll add the link.

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The sixth, seventh, 
eighth.

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August 6, 7, 8. Sounds good,

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let's save the date. See you soon, 
Véro!

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See you soon. Thank you.

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